Hi, I'm a US citizen and my husband is a U.K. Citizen. We both live in the US. We will like to relocate to Belgium. What type of visa will I need?
Flanders09
Agree with kasseistamper. Please check with the embassy. I wouldn't use this site solely as a source for obtaining accurate information about these matters.
Mar 25, 2017 17:31
anon
@ KASSEISTAMPER, " Why do US citizens accept this"? - They have the option to give up their citizenship if they want. And for the vast majority of the millions of US citizens who live abroad, it has no effect on them whatsoever, apart from the administrative burden of having to fill in a US tax return once a year. Additionally, again, for the vast majority of US citizens living abroad, there are no additional taxes to pay, as the US has dual tax treaties with many countries which allow for tax paid to be credited against any tax due.
Mar 25, 2017 17:33
J
If you do a google site search for "mikek1300gt", you ought to realize pretty quickly that he's an unpleasant, bitter troll who rarely has anything useful or constructive to say.
The K1300GT refers to a certain type of BMW motorbike. Which makes him the 2 wheeled equivalent of the Volvo driver...
Mar 25, 2017 21:05
Mikek1300gt
ANON....You claimed to deal with the US tax affairs of US relatives with complex financial lives outside of the USA, including investment portfolios and businesses, and you claimed it was not a problem and could be dealt with in a couple of hours .
That is IMPOSSIBLE. What you are claiming is not true. It is NOT POSSIBLE for you to have done as you claim to have done and be telling the truth when you say it's no problem and takes a couple of hours. You are either lying about having dealt with those tax affairs, or you are lying about it taking a couple of hours. I go with the first option, as you continue to demonstrate complete and utter ignorance on the subject.
My conclusion is that what I have told you sounds ridiculous, so you "proved" that it is by claiming it takes a couple of hours and is no big deal. You LIED. You continue to demonstrate that you have no real idea of the enormous impact of US tax policies on people who do not live in the USA.
""They have the option to give up their citizenship if they WANT.""
Giving up citizenship......It is a basic human right as agreed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that a person should be free to come and go from the country that gives him citizenship, and it is also a US constitutional right to not be forced out of that citizenship.
Nobody is free to leave a country if that country hunts him down and subjects him to a vicious and punitive tax regime unless they renounce.
I think the vast majority lining up at embassies all over the world( over a years waiting list in Canada) do NOT WANT to renounce. They do NOT WANT to spend a fortune getting their US tax affairs in order and pay $2350 in order to renounce citizenship, they are being FORCED to!
I know why, you DO NOT.
Yes, they can always renounce, assuming they have another nationality which are generally not free to pick up off the street, that they can face the emotional cost of renouncing, that they can get their tax affairs in order, that they can pay all the outrageous penalties for "form crime", that they can pay a tax specialist, that they have $2350 per family member, that they can face knowing that they can never return to their homeland (and never visit if a certain bunch of congressmen get their way) and that should that sick relative in the US ever need their care, they can't go back.
Yes, they can ALWAYS do that. Sure, no big deal. Seriously?
They ARE doing that in exponentially increasing numbers, but why would they do that when it's just a couple of hours paperwork? Because it's not, that's why.
Tell me, what is your solution for the American that cannot have his Belgian bonus paid in to a SICAV and so pays more tax that his colleagues.
Tell me, what is your solution for the American that is having his disabled child's disability benefits taxed by the USA?
Tell me what your solution is when the gain on the entire British families home is taxed by the USA?
Tell me what you solution is when the American is refused a promotion, because promoting him means he has to report the entire Belgian company to the IRS?
Tell me, what does the Australian American do about the USA annually taxing the gain on his Australian tax deferred pension?
Tell me, what does the American do about the hostile tax treatment of all things foreign held by an American, even though that American is not in the USA and ALL his financial life is foreign?
And do tell, how do you manage the PFIC forms for your relatives in a couple of hours when the IRS estimate 22 hours for a professional, and what do you do about the punitive taxation on those foreign investments?
You can't answer that, because you've never done it, liar.
Up to a 100 percent tax on gains made on a PFIC. (Google it, because you will have no idea what that is despite your silly claims). That's your families mutual fund, IF you can get one.
The American abroad is a TAX CRIMINAL until he proves otherwise, the entire reporting and penalty structure is built on that assumption. $10,000 fine for not reporting your "foreign" bank account in detail to the ...FINANCIAL CRIMES ENFORCEMENT NETWORK (FINCEN)? Where no tax was avoided or evaded?
Have you any idea how many have fallen foul of this because they had no idea what an FBAR was, or that their pension counted as an account, as does the account of the local Scouts group that they were running?
That's $10,000 per year for the last 6 years and that is the NON wilful penalty. The penalty for wilful failure to report , where no tax was avoided or evaded, is $50,000 per year per account for the last 6 years or 50 percent of the account balance per year, whichever is the greater.
Looking fair and reasonable to you!?
Not only is the overseas American a criminal in the USA with his constitutional rights thrown in the bin, he is also a second class citizen of the country in which he resides, local anti discrimination and privacy laws do not apply to US person at the behest of the USA under pain of closing down our banks if we did not do it.
Once you actually stop lying about being able to manage the tax affairs of US relatives with PFIC's and businesses in a couple of hours and that it's no problem because of tax treaties, you might actually come to realise that US persons abroad are being subjected to a regime that is considered by many to be the biggest unheard of human rights issue on the planet.
Yes, a complaint has been lodged with the UN and accepted for consideration
J....You have a strange definition of "troll", but it's particularly amusing given that your last post fits the widely used definition very well indeed. :-)
Mar 26, 2017 13:29
Mikek1300gt
"Why do US citizens accept this and do they question why the US is one of only a couple of countries in the world which impose this regime on their citizens?"
kasseistamper..
The USA is the ONLY country that does this to people it claims to own. The only country that comes close is the African dictatorship of Eritrea, and then they only try and collect this modest 2 percent when the Eritrean embassy is asked for services.
No other country on earth has coerced the whole world (at our expense, FATCA) in to hunting down people it claims to own (often OUR citizens, such as Boris Johnson) and imposes this savage and punitive tax regime on them.
ANON's claims that this is no big deal would be laughable if the truth was not so sad.
You want funny? In 2011 the USA was the loudest mouth at a UN meeting in 2011 in demanding sanctions on Eritrea if they did not stop attempting to tax their expats using extortion and threats, calling it an abuse of human rights.
Look again at the penalties and threats contained with the US tax code for any US person with a financial life outside of the USA. Look at the threats the USA used if we did not implement FATCA and suspend privacy and anti discrimination laws for "US persons", namely the closing down of our banking system.
The stench of hypocrisy wafts clear across the Atlantic.
Mar 26, 2017 13:41
Mikek1300gt
ANON....You claim to get your families complex investments done in 2 hours with no tax consequences. Can you please EXPLAIN HOW you do that? You see, hundreds of thousands if not millions would like to know. I for one will be rushing to the Isaac Brock society to tell them your marvellous solution.
The IRS estimate 31 hours and 29 minutes just to report your PFIC, and this is before the host of forms required for their business and private lives. Also, how do you not pay the punitive taxation on your families PFIC?
Oh wait, you can't answer that because you were LYING.
But be aware that you will be talking to people on the sharp end of this, and your claim that it's no big deal and can be done in a couple of hours with no tax consequences is going to have you put right and ridiculed.
The people getting their Canadian tax payer funded kids disability savings plan raided by the US IRS are going to be particularly amused.
And MikeK is fairly easy to wind up. Just a few chosen words and he'll spend hours behind his PC typing up a rant that nobody is ever likely to read.
Over 1400 words here...
Mar 26, 2017 15:33
Mikek1300gt
I'm very wound up, J. Seeing two pensioners who are close to me, both British citizens who have lived in the UK most of their lives, having their retirement ruined because of the outrageous demands of a country an ocean away should wind anybody up.
While the UK government fails to protect them and chooses instead to protect the banks from the threats of the USA.
Not for (illegitimate) taxes not paid as they don't amount to much, but for failing to file a form to the US financial crimes enforcement network for daring to live outside of the USA when the USA considers them US government property.
Secondly, both were told years back that they had relinquished when they took British citizenship. The USA quietly changed the rules on that one following a court case in the USA that meant hundreds of thousands if not millions had their US citizenship reinstated without their permission or knowledge.
Seeing a grown man cry when he should be enjoying his twilight years should make anybody angry. He's crying because he feels he's failed his wife and he's too old to fix it, too old to replace the money stolen from his pension and savings. Anybody who understands what the USA has done with it's tax code FATCA should be bloody fuming.
I don't know why ANON is lying, but he is. What he says is blatantly untrue, and saying it to me is a mistake. I have watched this horror unfold since 2011 and I know what this is doing to people with ordinary lives and often with the flimsiest of connections to the USA.
Oh, Dutch pensioners perhaps? Dutch pensioners that have never lived or worked in the USA. What the USA is now doing is hunting down people who have never had a US social security number or a passport, forcing them in to the US tax system, fining them thousands in order to allow them to renounce and is stealing money from the world in the process.
When a country effectively turns a section of it's society in to second class citizens who are stripped of basic legal protections and savaged with enormous fines for a simple reporting error, and when that same country forces every other country in the world to also treat those people as second class citizens, the world should be "wound up".
Agree with kasseistamper. Please check with the embassy. I wouldn't use this site solely as a source for obtaining accurate information about these matters.
@ KASSEISTAMPER, " Why do US citizens accept this"? - They have the option to give up their citizenship if they want. And for the vast majority of the millions of US citizens who live abroad, it has no effect on them whatsoever, apart from the administrative burden of having to fill in a US tax return once a year. Additionally, again, for the vast majority of US citizens living abroad, there are no additional taxes to pay, as the US has dual tax treaties with many countries which allow for tax paid to be credited against any tax due.
If you do a google site search for "mikek1300gt", you ought to realize pretty quickly that he's an unpleasant, bitter troll who rarely has anything useful or constructive to say.
The K1300GT refers to a certain type of BMW motorbike. Which makes him the 2 wheeled equivalent of the Volvo driver...
ANON....You claimed to deal with the US tax affairs of US relatives with complex financial lives outside of the USA, including investment portfolios and businesses, and you claimed it was not a problem and could be dealt with in a couple of hours .
That is IMPOSSIBLE. What you are claiming is not true. It is NOT POSSIBLE for you to have done as you claim to have done and be telling the truth when you say it's no problem and takes a couple of hours. You are either lying about having dealt with those tax affairs, or you are lying about it taking a couple of hours. I go with the first option, as you continue to demonstrate complete and utter ignorance on the subject.
My conclusion is that what I have told you sounds ridiculous, so you "proved" that it is by claiming it takes a couple of hours and is no big deal. You LIED. You continue to demonstrate that you have no real idea of the enormous impact of US tax policies on people who do not live in the USA.
""They have the option to give up their citizenship if they WANT.""
Giving up citizenship......It is a basic human right as agreed under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that a person should be free to come and go from the country that gives him citizenship, and it is also a US constitutional right to not be forced out of that citizenship.
Nobody is free to leave a country if that country hunts him down and subjects him to a vicious and punitive tax regime unless they renounce.
I think the vast majority lining up at embassies all over the world( over a years waiting list in Canada) do NOT WANT to renounce. They do NOT WANT to spend a fortune getting their US tax affairs in order and pay $2350 in order to renounce citizenship, they are being FORCED to!
I know why, you DO NOT.
Yes, they can always renounce, assuming they have another nationality which are generally not free to pick up off the street, that they can face the emotional cost of renouncing, that they can get their tax affairs in order, that they can pay all the outrageous penalties for "form crime", that they can pay a tax specialist, that they have $2350 per family member, that they can face knowing that they can never return to their homeland (and never visit if a certain bunch of congressmen get their way) and that should that sick relative in the US ever need their care, they can't go back.
Yes, they can ALWAYS do that. Sure, no big deal. Seriously?
They ARE doing that in exponentially increasing numbers, but why would they do that when it's just a couple of hours paperwork? Because it's not, that's why.
Tell me, what is your solution for the American that cannot have his Belgian bonus paid in to a SICAV and so pays more tax that his colleagues.
Tell me, what is your solution for the American that is having his disabled child's disability benefits taxed by the USA?
Tell me what your solution is when the gain on the entire British families home is taxed by the USA?
Tell me what you solution is when the American is refused a promotion, because promoting him means he has to report the entire Belgian company to the IRS?
Tell me, what does the Australian American do about the USA annually taxing the gain on his Australian tax deferred pension?
Tell me, what does the American do about the hostile tax treatment of all things foreign held by an American, even though that American is not in the USA and ALL his financial life is foreign?
And do tell, how do you manage the PFIC forms for your relatives in a couple of hours when the IRS estimate 22 hours for a professional, and what do you do about the punitive taxation on those foreign investments?
You can't answer that, because you've never done it, liar.
Up to a 100 percent tax on gains made on a PFIC. (Google it, because you will have no idea what that is despite your silly claims). That's your families mutual fund, IF you can get one.
The American abroad is a TAX CRIMINAL until he proves otherwise, the entire reporting and penalty structure is built on that assumption. $10,000 fine for not reporting your "foreign" bank account in detail to the ...FINANCIAL CRIMES ENFORCEMENT NETWORK (FINCEN)? Where no tax was avoided or evaded?
Have you any idea how many have fallen foul of this because they had no idea what an FBAR was, or that their pension counted as an account, as does the account of the local Scouts group that they were running?
That's $10,000 per year for the last 6 years and that is the NON wilful penalty. The penalty for wilful failure to report , where no tax was avoided or evaded, is $50,000 per year per account for the last 6 years or 50 percent of the account balance per year, whichever is the greater.
Looking fair and reasonable to you!?
Not only is the overseas American a criminal in the USA with his constitutional rights thrown in the bin, he is also a second class citizen of the country in which he resides, local anti discrimination and privacy laws do not apply to US person at the behest of the USA under pain of closing down our banks if we did not do it.
Once you actually stop lying about being able to manage the tax affairs of US relatives with PFIC's and businesses in a couple of hours and that it's no problem because of tax treaties, you might actually come to realise that US persons abroad are being subjected to a regime that is considered by many to be the biggest unheard of human rights issue on the planet.
Yes, a complaint has been lodged with the UN and accepted for consideration
J....You have a strange definition of "troll", but it's particularly amusing given that your last post fits the widely used definition very well indeed. :-)
"Why do US citizens accept this and do they question why the US is one of only a couple of countries in the world which impose this regime on their citizens?"
kasseistamper..
The USA is the ONLY country that does this to people it claims to own. The only country that comes close is the African dictatorship of Eritrea, and then they only try and collect this modest 2 percent when the Eritrean embassy is asked for services.
No other country on earth has coerced the whole world (at our expense, FATCA) in to hunting down people it claims to own (often OUR citizens, such as Boris Johnson) and imposes this savage and punitive tax regime on them.
ANON's claims that this is no big deal would be laughable if the truth was not so sad.
You want funny? In 2011 the USA was the loudest mouth at a UN meeting in 2011 in demanding sanctions on Eritrea if they did not stop attempting to tax their expats using extortion and threats, calling it an abuse of human rights.
Look again at the penalties and threats contained with the US tax code for any US person with a financial life outside of the USA. Look at the threats the USA used if we did not implement FATCA and suspend privacy and anti discrimination laws for "US persons", namely the closing down of our banking system.
The stench of hypocrisy wafts clear across the Atlantic.
ANON....You claim to get your families complex investments done in 2 hours with no tax consequences. Can you please EXPLAIN HOW you do that? You see, hundreds of thousands if not millions would like to know. I for one will be rushing to the Isaac Brock society to tell them your marvellous solution.
The IRS estimate 31 hours and 29 minutes just to report your PFIC, and this is before the host of forms required for their business and private lives. Also, how do you not pay the punitive taxation on your families PFIC?
Oh wait, you can't answer that because you were LYING.
https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8621/ch02.html
Take your answer here, ANON.
But be aware that you will be talking to people on the sharp end of this, and your claim that it's no big deal and can be done in a couple of hours with no tax consequences is going to have you put right and ridiculed.
The people getting their Canadian tax payer funded kids disability savings plan raided by the US IRS are going to be particularly amused.
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/
And MikeK is fairly easy to wind up. Just a few chosen words and he'll spend hours behind his PC typing up a rant that nobody is ever likely to read.
Over 1400 words here...
I'm very wound up, J. Seeing two pensioners who are close to me, both British citizens who have lived in the UK most of their lives, having their retirement ruined because of the outrageous demands of a country an ocean away should wind anybody up.
While the UK government fails to protect them and chooses instead to protect the banks from the threats of the USA.
Not for (illegitimate) taxes not paid as they don't amount to much, but for failing to file a form to the US financial crimes enforcement network for daring to live outside of the USA when the USA considers them US government property.
Secondly, both were told years back that they had relinquished when they took British citizenship. The USA quietly changed the rules on that one following a court case in the USA that meant hundreds of thousands if not millions had their US citizenship reinstated without their permission or knowledge.
Seeing a grown man cry when he should be enjoying his twilight years should make anybody angry. He's crying because he feels he's failed his wife and he's too old to fix it, too old to replace the money stolen from his pension and savings. Anybody who understands what the USA has done with it's tax code FATCA should be bloody fuming.
I don't know why ANON is lying, but he is. What he says is blatantly untrue, and saying it to me is a mistake. I have watched this horror unfold since 2011 and I know what this is doing to people with ordinary lives and often with the flimsiest of connections to the USA.
Oh, Dutch pensioners perhaps? Dutch pensioners that have never lived or worked in the USA. What the USA is now doing is hunting down people who have never had a US social security number or a passport, forcing them in to the US tax system, fining them thousands in order to allow them to renounce and is stealing money from the world in the process.
When a country effectively turns a section of it's society in to second class citizens who are stripped of basic legal protections and savaged with enormous fines for a simple reporting error, and when that same country forces every other country in the world to also treat those people as second class citizens, the world should be "wound up".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgD9yW-sJw&t=172s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQJBDdppnj0
Hi Mickey, hope you had a good weekend. I really think you need to calm down a bit, maybe see a therapist about your anger issues.
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